Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn)
10/10/2019 at 10:22 • Filed to: None

Trump defends his abandonment of our Kurdish allies by pointing out that the Kurds didn’t help us out on D-Day.

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DISCUSSION (27)

Milky > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 10:36

Anyone else remember when Trump said Obama was the “ founder of ISIS” because he pulled some troops out of Iraq? Good times.

vondon302 > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 10:37

Isis would be bombing Europe if it wasn't for them. Shameful day for America.

fintail > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 10:42

Kinja'd!!!

Ash78, voting early and often > Milky
10/10/2019 at 10:42

I’ve heard solid arguments that Clinton basically ignited Al Qaeda when he ordered cruise missile strikes in Afghanistan (and invaded Somalia) in part to take the focus off the Lewinsky scandal.

We’re still paying for that BJ, apparently.

Milky > Ash78, voting early and often
10/10/2019 at 10:47

Politicians suck, but that doesn’ t take away from Trump being a dumb hypocrite.

Xanadu603 > Ash78, voting early and often
10/10/2019 at 10:53

Well it goes back to the CIA and Bush giving the same people support with the Russians and then leaving them high and dry. Much like the Kurds now. Remember most of these ISIS people were Mujahedeen and are Saudis. Most of the prominent fighters in Afghanistan are not from there. I would blame Bush for most of the underpinnings.

boredalways > fintail
10/10/2019 at 10:59

That really should say INTERNATIONAL instead.

Ash78, voting early and often > Xanadu603
10/10/2019 at 11:08

Yep, and the mujahedeen connection was never more clear than once we realized in 2002-03 that our Chinooks were being shot down by Stingers from 1981.

I’m not laying blame on any one person, but the Clinton connection was just especially egregious because it had the least military necessity of all the screw-ups we’ve had in the region over the years.

DipodomysDeserti > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 11:12

Maybe they had bone spurs.

DipodomysDeserti > Ash78, voting early and often
10/10/2019 at 11:20

Operation Infinite Reach was carried out because Al Queda blew up two US embassies in a single day. They also had already tried to blow up the WTC in ‘93.

Al Queda was ignited back in the ‘80s when the Reagan administration decided to arm and support the Mujahideen .

facw > Ash78, voting early and often
10/10/2019 at 11:25

They can’t be that solid. Those cruise missile strikes in Afghanistan were in retaliation for al Qaed a bombing our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania killing over 200 and wounding over 4000. If anything the criticism there is that Clinton didn’t take al Qaeda seriously enough.

Somalia started in 1993, so that could at least fit with the timeline, but a whole shit ton of countries took part in that, so singling out the US for vengeance half a dozen years after the peacekeeping operation ended seems a bit odd (not the terrorists can be expected to be super rational).

For bin Laden, the real trigger is said to be the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabi (non-Muslims are not permitted in Mecca, and he reportedly felt the same should be true of the entire nation). He’s not the only one who felt that way, Saudi Arabia kicked out almost all US troops in 2003 once we had made sure Iraq was no longer a threat (or more charitably, because they didn’t approve of the Iraq war, though we had already agreed not to use US bases in Saudi Arabia to support the invasion).

Ash78, voting early and often > facw
10/10/2019 at 11:29

You’re right, I misspoke — the critics were saying Clinton didn’t do enough to finish the job. Not the he conducted the strikes in the first place. In other words, a token effort to appease the hawks.

It’s been a long time since I refreshed myself on that history. I’m still just amazed after the 1993 WTC bombing (and the embassies) that we didn’t see a major issue. They had the patience and resolve that we definitely didn’t have.

MKULTRA1982(ConCrustyBrick) > Milky
10/10/2019 at 11:37

YES. Just because other politicians are shady and commit crimes does not excuse this embarrassment of a president. Politics aside I don’t know how people do the mental gymnastics to tell themselves this is acceptable for their leader.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
10/10/2019 at 12:13

It keeps cranking up. How long before the spring breaks? And today? Two of Rudy’s pals arrested for campaign finance violations and Ukraine? Damn.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 12:35

But it wasn’t the Germans. It was the Russians, in order to help get Hillary elected.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/10/2019 at 13:18

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of cons and grifters. Waiting for Rudy himself to wear those bracelets .

MrSnrub > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 13:25

I’m guessing this is not happening because of any anti-interventionist principle on Trump’s part but more because Erdogan kissed his ass enough. What’s a little genocide between aspiring dictators friends ?

Nick Has an Exocet > ttyymmnn
10/10/2019 at 13:54

Intelligence community supports an unstable middle east. That’s good for security and good for business.

Rule #34:

Kinja'd!!!

Rule #35: Peace is good for business.

Kinja'd!!!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
10/11/2019 at 00:27

Trump will pardon Rudy. Print out a pre-signed pardon for anything he might get caught doing later on.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/11/2019 at 09:57

I wonder how many pre-signed pardons the con has whipped up by now.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
10/11/2019 at 10:45

Or promised. I must confess that I am astonished at how far we’ve spun as a nation in the last three years.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > ttyymmnn
10/11/2019 at 12:50

Kinja'd!!!

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
10/13/2019 at 19:52

Syria/Turkey: Trump has started a war so he can get reelected. I’ve come to that conclusion on my own.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
11/04/2019 at 11:42

You have been a very satisfying correspondent. Thank you. Stay in touch, if you wish.

Best,

O.C. oliphant.chuckerbutty@gmail.com

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
11/04/2019 at 12:59

Hey thanks, and likewise. Most of the time this place wasn’t too nutty. We’ll see how long it lasts. I archive most of my email, and still have yours, drop me a line anytime.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > fintail
11/04/2019 at 13:01

Became toxic for me, so I stepped back. I’m only here today because threat of closure and I’m about to sign back out.

I wish you luck and success in your endeavors.

fintail > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
11/04/2019 at 21:41

Ah too bad, I know there is a rough personality or two out there. I’ve started tuning them out.

Keep your chin up!